8 Sunscreen Myths, Busted

00:17 Trina Renea: Good afternoon. Hello. 

00:19 Rebecca Gadberry: That's kind of crept up on you. 

00:22 Trina Renea: Oh, my God, my head was in another place. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Facially Conscious. 

00:27 Rebecca Gadberry: Hello. This is Rebecca Gadberry. 

00:31 Trina Renea: And I'm Trina Renea, and we are here to bring you sunscreen myths. 

00:37 Rebecca Gadberry: Yes, we're going to bust eight of those puppies. 

00:39 Trina Renea: Really? Eight of them? 

00:40 Rebecca Gadberry: Yes.

00:41 Trina Renea: There's eight sunscreen myths. 

00:43 Rebecca Gadberry: Oh, there's so much more, but these are the ones that really get to me. So I decided to use this as a gripe session about sunscreens and the things people get wrong. 

00:52 Trina Renea: Yeah, because there's a lot of wrong out there. 

00:54 Rebecca Gadberry: There is, and there's a lot of wrong with people who think they're authorities, that are telling misinformation that can get people into trouble, because we're talking about skin here. That can form cancer, skin cancers or age.

01:06 Trina Renea: Yes. This isn't like making little lies about skin care. It's making big lies and little lies about sunscreen, which is something that can cause skin cancer, which is a huge thing. 

01:22 Rebecca Gadberry: Or, at the very least, discolorations in the skin or wrinkles or whatever. We know, and there's been some interesting studies, I'd love to talk about this sometime, there's been some interesting studies published in the last few years that, as we age externally, as we look at ourselves in the mirror, we start to feel older on the inside, which then leads to us being older on the inside and it exacerbates the aging process. It quickens the aging process. 

The things that we do in skincare that— my family is a bunch of really intellectual, very smart people that have gone on to do great things for the world. A lot of them think of me is just being out there working with people's vanities and all of that. I don't think of it that way. I think of it, and anybody who works in skin and have dedicated their selves to working in skin, I think of us as working with psychology.

02:18 Trina Renea: Yes, 100%.

02:20 Rebecca Gadberry: And making our lives better because of the way that we look in our daily lives. I think it's a really big thing.

02:29 Trina Renea: I tell people when they complain about their wrinkles, I tell them to dim the lights and stand further away from the mirror and don't look at themselves so closely in the mirror. Because, in reality, that's psychology right there. Because in reality, the only person that's looking at you closer than an arm's distance away is usually in the dark. So you don't need to stand closer than an arm's distance away. I learned that from a model. 

02:59 Rebecca Gadberry: I have another way to think of it.

03:00 Trina Renea: What? 

03:01 Rebecca Gadberry: As my husband gets older, his eyesight gets worse and he can't tell how old I look. He doesn’t know. 

03:06 Trina Renea: Mine does too. So the further I stand away, the better I look. 

03:10 Rebecca Gadberry: So let that be the case for everybody. 

03:12 Trina Renea: You know, they should invent a mirror that just blurs it a little bit and makes you look really pretty. On Snapchat, there's a pretty filter. I want a pretty filter mirror. 

03:24 Rebecca Gadberry: Or you can use blurring silicones. Yeah, which kind of take the edge off of pores and wrinkles and all that. 

03:30 Trina Renea: I actually love that. 

03:32 Rebecca Gadberry: I do too.

03:32 Trina Renea: I love those blurring silicones. 

03:33 Rebecca Gadberry: It's called blurring technology. 

03:36 Trina Renea: Yeah, and it works well on older people who, if they wear foundations, it sticks in their wrinkles and it's not cute. 

03:46 Rebecca Gadberry: And it takes the edges off pores if you have enlarged pores, but that's for the silicone episode that we've already done and we didn't talk about that. if you are a Facially Conscious listener, let that be an addition to the silicone episode that you've probably just heard in the last few weeks. 

04:00 Trina Renea: Yes. 

04:02 Rebecca Gadberry: Okay. So let's talk about sunscreens. 

04:03 Trina Renea: Okay. So I'm going to let you introduce the first one.

04:08 Rebecca Gadberry: Okay. The reason I put this one on is because I happen to— first of all, most people know I don't like influencers who don't have science backgrounds. They just have opinions and it drives me nuts. 

04:26 Trina Renea: Well, it's not only opinions, it's selling points that they're trying to get. 

04:28 Rebecca Gadberry: It's selling points. I was looking at this one string on Instagram and they were talking about why the two-finger rule of sunscreen application. Now, what is that? The two-finger rule is where you take two fingers, your index and middle fingers, and you apply a thin line from the base of the finger to the tip of the finger, both of those fingers. That is big enough to cover the face, the top of the ears and your neck.

05:02 Trina Renea: And the back of your neck. 

05:04 Rebecca Gadberry: And the back of your neck. It varies by person because it's the right ratio. Your fingers are the right ratio to your face, to the size of your face. So whether it's a child that's doing it or an adult, it's going to be the right amount for your face, for your neck.

So, I was reading these influencers and the people who were making comments. The influencer was saying, “I don't know why they say that, it's a marketing thing, it's just to sell more product.” And then somebody else said, “Well, not only is it to sell more product, but it doesn't look good on the skin.” And then somebody else…

05:53 Trina Renea: To wear that much sunscreen? 

05:54 Rebecca Gadberry: Right. “I just put it in my moisturizer. I just put it in my lipstick.” Okay. 

The thing is, is that sunscreens, as we've said repeatedly over the last few years on Facially Conscious, sunscreens are drugs. As a drug, in the United States, you have to prove that it is working to deliver the benefit that you're saying it will deliver. 

With the sunscreen, it's telling you you can stay out in the sun for a certain length of time before you burn. To detect that, you have to use a test that is published by the FDA that you have to use a certain amount applied in a certain way for a certain amount of time and then you do the study. That's how you get what's called the Sun Protection Factor, the SPF.

So if you are following the study, the amount in the study equals the length of both fingers, the index and the middle finger from the knuckle, from the first knuckle to the tip of the finger. That's how much they put on.

07:08 Trina Renea: And that's with any sunscreen. 

07:10 Rebecca Gadberry: That's with any sunscreen. 

07:10 Trina Renea: No matter the SPF number or the type, whether it's chemical or physical. 

07:16 Rebecca Gadberry: Right.

07:17 Trina Renea: It doesn't matter what the brand. 

07:20 Rebecca Gadberry: Whether it's a lipstick or a foundation or an eye shadow. 

07:22 Trina Renea: And that means put it on your ears and put it on your neck and put it on your face. 

07:26 Rebecca Gadberry: On your nose, right. Okay, So if it looks too heavy, it should have silicones in it that let it adjust over a period of one to three minutes so that it doesn't look heavy anymore. If it still does, or if it makes you look like a ghost, get another sunscreen. Don't stop using the right amount, though. That's how much you need to use. 

So the next question that we have, or the next gripe that I have, “I don't have time to apply a separate sunscreen, so I make sure my moisturizer foundation, powder and lipstick have SPFs.” First of all, SPF is a number. It's the amount of time you can stay in the sun. SPF is not an ingredient and it's not the name of the product. The name of the product is a sunscreen, not sunblock. There's no such thing as a sunblock and the FDA says you can't call them sunblocks. 

Right now, the FDA doesn't have the money to prosecute those companies that do. When they get that money by the end of this year, they're going to start taking that term off the market. So get used to calling them sunscreens, not sunblocks. Sunblocks makes it seem like no light gets in and you're blocked from the sun. There's no sunscreen that does that. 

And because a certain amount has to be tested to get the SPF number or rating, the amount that is used in a lipstick, you'd have to put the whole tube of lipstick on in one sitting to get the amount that was used. Does that make sense?

09:02 Trina Renea: Uh-huh.

09:04 Rebecca Gadberry: Foundation, you're going to look like a clown. And powders don't give you enough coverage according to the FDA. There are companies that say that theirs does, but when the FDA has tested them, and I have a friend at FDA who does the testing, they don't get the proper SPF numbers. 

Now, that's never been published. That's inside information. 

09:27 Trina Renea: So here's the conundrum. The FDA says that you have to reapply your sunscreen every two hours. 

09:33 Rebecca Gadberry: Right. 

09:34 Trina Renea: Women wear makeup, so therefore they're not going to ever reapply their sunscreen again except for in the morning. So the only option I have for them is to wear a powder that has sunscreen in it because how in the world are you going to reapply? It's better to reapply…

09:53 Rebecca Gadberry: So how much powder do you need to put on?

09:55 Trina Renea: It's better to reapply with a powder than you're not going to put the cream on top of your makeup during the day. 

10:03 Rebecca Gadberry: So let me ask you this question. How much powder do they have to put on? Again, that's the amount, the finger amount. So how much powder do they put on? 

10:13 Trina Renea: Well, all I'm saying is when somebody is in their office and they've put on their sunscreen in the morning and they put their makeup on. They go to the office and they go out for lunch and they're going to go take a walk outside, is it better for them to not put any sunscreen at all or is it better for them to put powder that has some sunscreen? Because they don't have protection at that time. None. 

10:37 Rebecca Gadberry: It's up to them because, in my opinion, the powder is not going to do that much. 

10:41 Trina Renea: But would you put a sunscreen cream on top of your makeup?

10:47 Rebecca Gadberry: What I would do is wear an SPF 50 or higher. That doesn't need to be reapplied twice a day or every two hours. The directions are for SPF 15.

10:58 Trina Renea: The FDA makes you put it on there. 

11:00 Rebecca Gadberry: Yes, but that is kind of like having a little toe. We don't need it anymore, but we still have it. The same is true as far as the two-hour rule. 

So, the two-hour rule applies to SPF 15. The two-hour rule does not apply to SPF 50. The SPF 50 should allow you to stay in the sun, directly in the sun from the morning until the evening when the sun goes down. And remember, we're only talking about burning. We're not talking about the aging ray UVA, right, which is released indoors and goes through windows. That's a completely different rating and it's not in your SPF rating. But at SPF 50…

11:42 Trina Renea: Oh, so is SPF— sorry. 

11:44 Rebecca Gadberry: At SPF 50, you are picking up some UVA protection.

11:48 Trina Renea: So with the UVA protection that is in a broad spectrum…

11:53 Rebecca Gadberry: Broad spectrum sunscreen. 

11:56 Trina Renea: Is that a full day protection? 

11:58 Rebecca Gadberry: At SPF 50, it should be. 

12:00 Trina Renea: No, but in SPF…

12:01 Rebecca Gadberry: The caveat to that is if you sweat or if you get in water, then you have to put it on when you get out. 

12:06 Trina Renea: Right, but you're not wearing makeup hopefully then. So the SPF is only for the UVB rays.

12:15 Rebecca Gadberry: Right. 

12:16 Trina Renea: So that's only the burning rays. 

12:17 Rebecca Gadberry: The burning rays, right.

12:19 Trina Renea: But when you put a sunscreen on your face that's broad spectrum, is what's protecting the UVA rays long lasting?

12:29 Rebecca Gadberry: It depends upon what's in the sunscreen. Zinc oxide will do that. Zinc oxide is from UVC up to UVA and even infrared. Certain titanium dioxides do that. 

There's also ingredients that are not listed as sunscreens that go in the inactive portion of the ingredient list. All inactive means is that they are not sunscreens. It doesn't mean they don't have an effect on the skin.

12:58 Trina Renea: I have an idea. 

12:59 Rebecca Gadberry: Yes?

13:01 Trina Renea: What you could do is if you want to go out to lunch, you could put on a big wide-brim hat and you could put a tiny thin scarf over your whole face and chest and just wrap it all up. 

13:13 Rebecca Gadberry: The tiny, thin scarf will not protect you from the sun. 

13:17 Trina Renea: Oh, right. I forgot about that It has to be UV protection. Well, maybe there's a scarf that has the UV protection that I could wrap around my face.

13:24 Rebecca Gadberry: Where is Dr. Vicki when you need her? She'd know that. 

13:27 Trina Renea: Just your eyeballs could stick out. You just wrap your whole head up. 

13:32 Rebecca Gadberry: This is why I recommend an SPF 50, because it will protect throughout the day for most people. Where we really get concerned, by the way, is with people who have photosensitive diseases. In other words, lupus and some other HIV positive and people like that that need that extra jolt of protection. 

But an SPF 50 should last you all day from the morning till evening. 

14:00 Trina Renea: Okay. Good to know. So here's our next one. You ready? Skin screens prevent…

14:08 Rebecca Gadberry: Skin screens?

14:12 Trina Renea: Sunscreens. I was looking at the word ‘skin’ when I said that. Sunscreens prevent skin cancer.

14:20 Rebecca Gadberry: No, they do not, and that's why the FDA doesn't let us say that they do because they do not prevent skin cancer. Any sunscreen is going to allow at least a little bit of UV light to get past it. And that little bit of UV light can trigger genetic damage in DNA, DNA mutations if you will, that can cause cancer, skin cancer. So sunscreens do not prevent skin cancer.

14:50 Trina Renea: Do people who are monks that live inside caves still get skin cancer? 

14:55 Rebecca Gadberry: No, not as far as I know. And you're talking about a famous picture from like the 1980s that I used to show at UCLA. This was a monk who was in his 90s that had beautiful skin. The only place that he showed aging was around the eyes. The rest of his skin was perfect. 

15:17 Trina Renea: Yeah, like a baby. 

15:17 Rebecca Gadberry: No lines at all. And he had gone to live in this cave in Tibet when he was six months old. 

15:23 Trina Renea: He must have to take vitamin D. 

15:26 Rebecca Gadberry: I think he does, or he has to. Well, whatever. But anyway…

15:30 Trina Renea: That's another issue. 

15:32 Rebecca Gadberry: So they don't prevent skin cancer. 

15:33 Trina Renea: Okay. Then do sunscreens cause skin cancer? 

15:37 Rebecca Gadberry: No, they don't cause skin cancer either. 

15:38 Trina Renea: So they don't prevent it or cause it? 

15:40 Rebecca Gadberry: That's right. 

15:41 Trina Renea: Why do we use them? 

15:43 Rebecca Gadberry: Because they help to slow down the aging process and they help to slow down the risk of cancer. They do not prevent it. There's a big difference. 

15:52 Trina Renea: But they do help protect to a big degree, that is helping you so you don't get skin cancer. 

16:00 Rebecca Gadberry: Right.

16:01 Trina Renea: It won't prevent it.

16:02 Rebecca Gadberry: It doesn't prevent it, but it slows down the risk of skin cancer. 

16:06 Trina Renea: Why would anyone say that— go ahead.

16:07 Rebecca Gadberry: For every blistering burn you get before the age of 18, you double your risk of melanoma when you get older.

16:18 Trina Renea: I'm going to die with melanoma.

16:22 Rebecca Gadberry: So it doesn't prevent it, but it does slow it down. And most of the damage that's been done to our DNA has been done before the age of 18. 

16:30 Trina Renea: Well, the new generation, because we've learned, my daughter's generation that’s not going to be a problem because they don't burn. 

16:37 Rebecca Gadberry: They wear sunscreen. Absolutely. 

16:40 Trina Renea: I used to go out and burn to tan. First one would be the burn. 

16:43 Rebecca Gadberry: That's what everybody did. 

16:44 Trina Renea: And we'd get the tan. 

16:45 Rebecca Gadberry: You get a base burn…

16:47 Trina Renea: Yeah, to start the process. 

16:50 Rebecca Gadberry: So they don't cause skin cancer. And there are companies out there, there's also environmental groups that are saying that they cause cancer.

17:01 Trina Renea: Why? 

17:02 Rebecca Gadberry: They do not. They're looking at data and interpreting it incorrectly. 

17:10 Trina Renea: Are they talking about the chemical skin…

17:13 Rebecca Gadberry: Well, they're also talking about retinyl palmitate as being part of that. And retinyl palmitate is not a trigger for skin cancer with sunscreens. However, when you print that and it gets out into the media, you get a lot of people donating to your cause. 

17:30 Trina Renea: Right. Question about retinyl palmitate. 

17:32 Rebecca Gadberry: Yes?

17:34 Trina Renea: Many, many people say retinyl palmitate is retinol. Is it? 

17:38 Rebecca Gadberry: It's a retinol precursor. In other words, it gives the cell the raw material it needs to make retinol. It is not retinol in its current state. 

17:49 Trina Renea: So if there's retinyl palmitate in a product that is not saying it's a retinol, is it doing any retinol behaviors in the skin? 

17:56 Rebecca Gadberry: It depends upon the percentage, because if there's enough of a percentage to get into the skin and then be picked up by the cell to turn into retinol, then yes. Or into a retinoid, then yes, there is enough. But if it's at the end of the ingredient list, and keep in mind that retinyl palmitate is frequently used as a preservative for the product, yes. And in sunscreens, as a preservative for the product, it keeps it from oxidizing and reacting with light, which is why it's used. It's not going to do very much of anything for the skin. It's going to be used in the product. 

18:31 Trina Renea: Right, so a lot of times when you see retinyl palmitate on an ingredient list, it's in the lower half. It's being used for another purpose and it is not a retinol that you're using on your skin. Gotcha. 

18:41 Rebecca Gadberry: Right. Not at all. And there are companies that say, “Oh, well, we have retinol in our product.” Then you see just retinyl palmitate, it's in the lower half of the list, it's not doing anything. 

18:55 Trina Renea: Okay. So are sunscreens killing the oceans?

19:02 Rebecca Gadberry: Isn't that a nice phrase? It really makes you concerned about sunscreens.

19:05 Trina Renea: Yeah. 

19:07 Rebecca Gadberry: Okay. No, they're not. The study that that was done on, the original study was done in an aquarium. There was a problem with the amount of sunscreen that was put into the aquarium and it did cause a problem with corals. But when we've tried to duplicate that in the oceans, it doesn't happen. 

What the problem is is the runoff from pesticides and fertilizers that are running off into those areas. Those are killing the oceans, if you want to use the term killing the oceans. They are interrupting corals. They are causing corals to bleach and they are interrupting aquatic life. But the sunscreens aren't doing it. 

Think about you have a swimming pool and you put a drop of battery acid in the swimming pool. So is it safe for you to get in the swimming pool? 

20:00 Trina Renea: I'd say no.

20:01 Rebecca Gadberry: Of course, it's safe. I mean, a drop of battery acid. 

20:04 Trina Renea: Oh, just a drop. 

20:03 Rebecca Gadberry: It's diluted. The same is true with sunscreens. There is not enough sunscreen material that goes into the ocean to cause a problem. And where we're seeing a lot of the problems are not where sunscreens are used. 

Now, there are a lot of environmental groups that are going to states like Hawaii and petitioning those states to restrict the use of certain sunscreens, but it's not based on good data. It's based on emotions. 

20:35 Trina Renea: Wow. Okay. So that's that. How would they even regulate that ever? 

20:39 Rebecca Gadberry: They prevent them from being sold. You can't use certain…

20:41 Trina Renea: Oh, but people could bring them in. 

20:42 Rebecca Gadberry: Like benzophenone. I forget the ones that are not allowed. 

20:46 Trina Renea: Avobenzone? 

20:47 Rebecca Gadberry: Yeah. So what I do is I just recommend titanium dioxide and zinc oxide. Those are the ones that should be sufficient to protect your skin in a way that protects for most of the UV light and into even light that is beyond UV. And they are not irritants. They're easy to use. That's why I suggest them, and so does Dr. Vicki. 

21:13 Trina Renea: Yeah, I do too. I agree. 

21:15 Rebecca Gadberry: And titanium dioxide and zinc oxide do not affect the oceans. 

21:22 Trina Renea: Right, because they're basically made from minerals and they're rocks, right? 

21:27 Rebecca Gadberry: Yeah, kind of. Okay.

21:30 Trina Renea: So a well-developed tan is as good or better as sunscreen to protect from the sun. I always wear a sunscreen with a lower SPF to allow my skin to build up a tan safely. Wow. 

21:46 Rebecca Gadberry: Hear what I'm about to say.

21:47 Trina Renea: Where in the world…

21:49 Rebecca Gadberry: Listen to me.

21:50 Trina Renea: This is old, old time talk.

21:51 Rebecca Gadberry: It is, but I'm also hearing kids talk about it. I heard this a month ago. So listen to me. 

21:59 Trina Renea: I'm listening. 

22:00 Rebecca Gadberry: Any tan is due to DNA damage. We cannot tan unless we have damage to our DNA. So if you believe that you can build up a safe tan, the tan itself is not safe. You have damaged your DNA. That damage will be passed on over the years and build up and build up and build up. There is no such thing as a safe tan. And if your sunscreen allows you to tan, your sunscreen is allowing DNA damage.

22:33 Trina Renea: Your sunscreen is allowing DNA— say that again? What? 

22:36 Rebecca Gadberry: If your sunscreen allows you to tan, and a tan is a sign of DNA damage, your sunscreen is allowing your DNA to be damaged. 

22:45 Trina Renea: Right. What about using a sunscreen oil?

22:49 Rebecca Gadberry: If it allows you to tan, your sunscreen is allowing DNA damage.

22:54 Trina Renea: SPF 10? 

22:54 Rebecca Gadberry: If it allows you to tan, your sunscreen is allowing DNA damage. 

23:00 Trina Renea: Just kidding. I used to look for the lowest SPF in oil because I wanted to tan so bad.

23:08 Rebecca Gadberry: Iodine in mineral oil. Oh, my God. 

23:11 Trina Renea: But I needed the SPF 10 in there because I wanted the protection. 

23:14 Rebecca Gadberry: Oh, yeah, the protection. That SPF 10 is highly protective. 

And I tell that to people of color as well. If you are tanning, then your DNA is being damaged, just like a white person's DNA is who doesn't have a protective covering of melanin. So if you darken, you have DNA damage. It's that simple. There is no caveat. There is no what if. It's there. That's it.

23:44 Trina Renea: Right. You can still get skin cancer. 

23:47 Rebecca Gadberry: Right, and you will still get aging cells. You will still age.

23:51 Trina Renea: Okay. Here's another one. People with rosacea can't wear sunscreen. 

23:57 Rebecca Gadberry: Certain sunscreens work by lowering the intensity of the sun ray into heat. And that heat, and I've heard people say this isn't true. I have rosacea. I know it's true from my own experience, okay? And from my friend's experience. So I'm giving you personal experience here. That heat can trigger, in some people, blushing, that then goes into rosacea triggers. So if a sunscreen causes your skin to heat up when you're outside and it's lowering the intensity of the light and turning it into heat, that sunscreen is not appropriate for use for you if you have rosacea. 

24:40 Trina Renea: That's mostly the chemical sunscreens. 

24:43 Rebecca Gadberry: Well, you call them chemical, I call them organic. But, yeah. Mineral sunscreens like zinc oxide and titanium dioxide don't do that. As a matter of fact, zinc oxide can calm rosacea. Again, another reason to be choosing the mineral-based sunscreens. 

25:04 Trina Renea: Right. Okay. Here's another one. If I get a burn, I apply more sunblock so I can stay in the sun longer. 

25:11 Rebecca Gadberry: Okay. You are not saying that. Somebody else is saying that. 

25:14 Trina Renea: Yes. 

25:15 Rebecca Gadberry: I've heard that repeatedly from people for years. First of all, remember when I said there's no such thing as a sunblock. Okay. So if a little sun gets in, it's going to be adding to the burn. It's going to be adding to the DNA damage. If you get a burn, you have reached your maximum level of sun exposure…

25:38 Trina Renea: For the day.

25:39 Rebecca Gadberry: For the day, or maybe for the week. I don't know. It depends on how bad it is. But if you have a burn, you have reached the maximum amount of sun that your skin can take. 

25:48 Trina Renea: So get out?

25:50 Rebecca Gadberry: If you apply more sunscreen, a little bit of sunlight is still going to get through and it will make the burn worse. So, get out of the sun. There is no sunscreen that is a sunblock. Even if 2% sunlight is getting through that film on your skin from the sunscreen, that 2% is adding to the burn. Get out of the sun. You can put on a hat, a wide-brim hat. You can do all sorts of things, but get out of the sun. Applying more sunscreen will only make it worse. 

26:27 Trina Renea: What if you put on your sunblock long sleeve shirt? 

26:31 Rebecca Gadberry: There is no such thing as a sunblock. The long sleeve shirt is not a sunblock, but it is a high SPF. That may work. 

26:42 Trina Renea: Scarf?

26:42 Rebecca Gadberry: Scarf, that may work, but it needs to have an SPF rating. But, again, there's no such thing as a sunblock. 

26:49 Trina Renea: A beanie over your face with holes in it for your eyes?

26:51 Rebecca Gadberry: That could work. Okay. I think you get my drift. You like to take things to the point of ridiculous. 

27:00 Trina Renea: It's fun. Okay. Oh, that was it. Those are eight. 

27:05 Rebecca Gadberry: Those are the eight, and those are my big issues.

27:07 Trina Renea: I could tell they really get you. 

27:09 Rebecca Gadberry: Oh, they get under my skin, so to speak, because I have to explain them over and over and over and over again.

27:16 Trina Renea: No, you're right. These are out there all the time. It's so many. All of these things are completely in every single person's own perception of what they want to believe. 

27:29 Rebecca Gadberry: Right. And you choose to believe them to make it okay. 

27:32 Trina Renea: Yes. 

27:34 Rebecca Gadberry: It's not okay. 

27:35 Trina Renea: Right. We're talking about skin cancer, people. Skin cancer can kill you. It can also make big, large holes in your skin and you have to get these stitched up and live you with really not so pretty scars, although yours has gone away. 

27:50 Rebecca Gadberry: No, it hasn't. It's still there. I have a big scar on the end of my nose. The lights are not low. 

27:57 Trina Renea: Just my visions are blurry. 

27:59 Rebecca Gadberry: So please just listen to us. We know what we're talking about. Please use sunscreens properly, apply them properly, apply the right amount. If you get burnt, get out of the sun. And there is no such thing as a safe tan. 

28:14 Trina Renea: And we just want to let you know that we are not influencers who are talking about just smack. We are professionals who work in this industry and we work with sunscreens. This is our job, so we are telling you the truth. 

28:27 Rebecca Gadberry: And I have worked with sunscreen chemicals. I have taught sunscreen chemists. I've written chapters in sunscreen books. I am an authority on sunscreens. I have been since the early 1980s. Please listen to me. You're not going to hear anything else from an authority that differs from what I'm talking about, if they know the science. 

28:48 Trina Renea: Yes. And this is where I get all of my information, right here from Rebecca Gadberry, because I took all her classes. 

28:57 Rebecca Gadberry: Can I go, "Neeey, I'm the horse's mouth." 

28:58 Trina Renea: Yes, right from the horse's mouth. 

All right, y 'all. Thanks for listening. I don't know where that exit just came from. 

29:07 Rebecca Gadberry: Bye. 

29:09 Trina Renea: Bye.

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