Unveiling the Brilliant Co-Host: Rebecca Gadberry - Let's Get Acquainted! Part 2

Unveiling the Brilliant Co-Host_ Rebecca Gadberry - Let's Get Acquainted! Part 2

Trina Renea  0:00  

Welcome back. Enjoy part two of this episode.

Hey everyone, welcome to Facially Conscious. I'm Trina Renea – a Medically Trained Master Esthetician here in Los Angeles, and I'm sitting with my rockstar co-host, Dr. Vicki Rapaport - a Board Certified Dermatologist with practices in Beverly Hills and Culver City, Rebecca Gadberry – our Resident Skincare Scientists and Regulatory and Marketing Expert, and Julie Falls - our Educated Consumer who is here to represent you. We are here to help you navigate the sometimes confusing and competitive world of skincare. Our mission is to provide you with insider knowledge on everything from product ingredients to medical procedures, lasers, fillers, and ever-changing trends. With our expert interviews with chemists, doctors, laser reps and estheticians, you'll be equipped to make informative decisions before investing in potentially expensive treatments. It's the wild-west out there, so let's make it easier for you, one episode at a time. Are you ready to discover the latest and greatest skincare secrets? Tune in and let us be your go-to girls for all things Facially Conscious. Let's dive in.

I have a question. Being an educator in this industry you have, I feel like you're at the top of that. Like people come from all over the world to UCLA. When I took that class, it was like 150 I think was the max, maybe 200.

Rebecca Gadberry  1:43  

At that point, it was 120 people but this year, it's 150. 

Trina Renea  1:47  

Yeah. And it was like people from all over the world from the biggest companies, Estee Lauder and L'Oreal. There were people from FDA there. There were formulators, there were chemists, there were manufacturers and there were estheticians, few of us, me and Biba being two of them. But you know, they it was like the top-notch in the world, people listening to you educate them on ingredients. And I mean, what do you feel like your time as an educator in the industry has been like and be with, these are other educators that can even compare, because I remember you're trying to find someone to replace you. And that was an impossible task.

Rebecca Gadberry  2:28  

I finally found somebody, which is interesting. She has a master's in chemistry. She came to me two months ago, when I was announcing the class to the society of cosmetic chemists meeting here in Los Angeles. She was born the year that the class started in 1986. And I said to her, so we've had to wait all this time for you to grow up enough and get enough education to take over the class. So, she is going to be, I'm not going to share her name right now. But she is going to be working with me for the next two years to learn the class, it’s structure, contexts because the class is so broad reaching, we teach everything from basic concepts like what is natural, what's a chemical, to how to recognize ingredients simply by looking at the words, what they do and where they come from, to all the regulations that are involved. And there's a whole bunch of new regulations as you know, Trina, and then talking about just basic ingredients like surfactants emulsifiers, antioxidants, preservatives, to ingredients that deal with different conditions of the skin. So, it's two parts. 

Trina Renea  3:42  

Organics and non-organic. There's [Cross Talk] there with the natural. 

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  3:46  

I mean, can you explain a little bit more clearly what this class is and who can join it? Because you know what I recommend besides the listeners, and anybody else that could sign on would be talked to the residency programs in LA, all those derm residents should attend that class. Is it a day, a week, a seminar? What is it? 

Rebecca Gadberry  4:04  

It is a three-day class, there's a part one and part two. Part one is November 4th through the 6th this year. And part two will be in the spring. Part one is your basics, and anybody that's interested, you could go to UCLA Extension, just google this UCLA Extension skincare chem 825.

Trina Renea  4:27  

It used to be five-days, eight hours a day, and I just called it like a whole semester in five days.

Rebecca Gadberry  4:33  

It was a semester. It was three hours more than a semester in five days. But we're also exhausted. 

Trina Renea  4:40  

I would get a hotel room by the class at UCLA and I would just stay there.

Rebecca Gadberry  4:45  

So, if you're in the industry, then look into it. If you're not, if you're a consumer, it isn't for you. It just isn't, but this podcast is.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  4:56  

Are you going to have availability on Zoom for the class or is it in-person?

Rebecca Gadberry  5:00  

You have to be there in-person because we pass ingredients and products around.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  5:04  

So, it's a three-day once and a three-day twice, and November you said morning till five at night. Like Friday, Saturday, Sunday?

Rebecca Gadberry  5:14  

Like Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Well, interestingly enough, they have held with the price from 2015. So. it's I think it's $695 for three days, you get, as we like to say at UCLA, ‘a certificate suitable for framing’. So, I walk into offices all over the country now and they've got their certificate on the wall. 

Trina Renea  5:43  

Really sounds like you get a giant notebook that's like, I don't know, 4 inches high.

Rebecca Gadberry  5:47  

We don’t anymore, it's all online. 

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  5:51  

It’s too expensive and all those trees, Trina. 

Trina Renea  5:53  

Well, I remember the poor girls that were sitting there on the sidelines, like putting the papers into the notebooks. But that's smart. Yeah, we can work offline now.

Rebecca Gadberry  6:02  

Yeah, it's great. And everything's posted there. I not only post all of the notes from the classes, but I post all the quizzes, because there are quizzes, because for me, if you don't test your knowledge, you don't pay attention. But I also think…

Trina Renea  6:17  

You should make it an online course and record the whole thing. 

Julie Falls  6:21  

Are you still doing it? 

Rebecca Gadberry  6:22  

Yeah. I'm doing it again in November. Yeah, we finally brought it back. UCLA came in, they said - We get questions about your course every week, we have for seven years. 

Julie Falls  6:32  

But I mean, the difference with online just that when you're interacting, I just think it's the…

Rebecca Gadberry  6:37  

That the whole thing. And like Trina was saying, because we bring together backgrounds from all over the industry and all over the world, how do you do that online? 

Julie Falls  6:48  

Have you recorded it, though? 

Rebecca Gadberry  6:49  

No. And the reason I don’t record it is because it changes every year. So, I don't know, there's a whole …

Trina Renea  6:58  

There are people who speak up in class and ask questions, and they'll be like, ‘Hi, I'm from L'Oreal. I'm a such and such…’ whatever their thing is, and then you'll have somebody else speak up and be like, ‘Hi, I own an organic skin line. And I'm wondering, you know…’ there's just people from everywhere, it's such an amazing…

Rebecca Gadberry  7:16  

Yeah, there are doctors and nurses, there are product educators, there are salespeople from ingredient companies. And what I love is to see students going to lunch together, and there will be a cosmetic chemists and esthetician and a salesperson from an ingredient company, they're all getting different perspectives. Because in this industry, it's kind of like the blind man looking at the elephant, trying to describe what the elephant is, you've heard that story, you know? And when you come from different parts of the industry, you all have an idea of what that part of the industry is about, but it's not comprehensive. So, this class as you're saying, Julie, you can network in this class where you can't do that in anyplace else. There are friendships that formed 35 years ago, that are still going strong. I have students that their grandparents brought their parents and then brought their grandchildren. So, I've got three generations, it's like saying; we trust you to get them on the right path. And it is such an honor. When I go to functions around the world, people will come up to me and say you're that lady that teaches cosmetic sciences. 

Julie Falls  8:31  

Well, the other thing that's so interesting is it's not a field where you could just sit back and say – Oh, the same stuff I taught 10 years ago is going to apply. It’s ever changing. So, you are instantly constantly staying on top of the industry.

Rebecca Gadberry  8:43  

It takes me six months to put the class together, even though probably half of it is repetitive.

Trina Renea  8:51  

And that's why I take the class every year because I learn new stuff every time.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  8:58  

But with that said, and Julie, I totally agree. It's almost like you want to check your notes, Rebecca, before you go on stage to make sure it's still correct. But with that said, like how do you see this industry moving forward in your lifetime? And what can we look forward to? 

Rebecca Gadberry  9:13  

I think that I don't think it's going to happen in my lifetime. But I think in the generation that's being born now because I think about that a lot. We've got two nephews, one was born last year, one is being born this year, and I know more children are coming in, and I have a niece on the other side of the family. And I think about what's life going to be like for when they grow up. Well, we are on the verge of finding out why we age and if we find out why we age, then we can do something about it. It's too late for everybody who's living but for these children who are being born. I think we're going to be looking at not anti-aging but Pro Longevity. And when I say Pro-Longevity, I mean, making your cells live longer, and act younger longer, to help produce the same quality of skin or organs or whatever same body tissues that you produced when you were a child, you'll have all the memories and experiences that you go through in life, you'll mature, but your cells will be better, more youthful.

Trina Renea  10:31  

So, you won't break down and get old. You'll get old, you'll die, but you won't look it. 

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  10:39  

It'll be slower.

Julie Falls  10:40  

Well, people are still going to eat bad food and be in the sun and drink too much alcohol and too much coffee.

Rebecca Gadberry  10:46  

In our generation, but in this new gen… No, I think that there will be changes. And I think we'll also even if you're doing that, there will be things that you could do to keep yourself younger. And I just developed a new product that addresses 15 of the causes of aging in one bottle. And it's based upon some studies and reports that have been done over the last 10 years. And we finally have the ingredients in the industry to do it. And I love this product. As a matter of fact, Julie, you were saying how good my skin looks? 

Julie Falls  11:20  

Well, I just went online and looked it up and I see some places that are selling it. Can I ask you a question about that? If you develop something for an esthetician, or a doctor's office, can somebody use the same thing, they just put their name on it, it's the same…?

Rebecca Gadberry  11:44  

Well, it depends upon what part of the company. YG laboratories was founded by my mom in 1974. And we have two divisions of the company we have a division that is prepackaged prelabeled, preformulated. And you can buy a dozen units of a product or even six, I think I don't handle that part of the company anymore. My son is now our president. And we can put your label on for you or they do it's got the company, the product name that we promote. Or you can get a product that's manufactured just for you. And we put it in your own container, we do all the formulating and everything. And so that's where we sell. We sell to over 3500 brands around the world. It's really interesting. And we have a team of formulating chemists and researchers.

Julie Falls  12:40  

But like there are people like Trina who will help you formulate, so she has a different, her own.

Rebecca Gadberry  12:44  

Exactly. As a matter of fact, I think we’ve about it that I work with Dr. Vicki and Trina, which is how they know that that I was around well actually.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  12:57  

When you were talking about one of your first favorite ingredients was the retinol and the retinaldehyde. We actually do have her, we call it a retinol serum. But it's a combination of three different things retinol, retinal and bakuchiol. And I actually tell my patients sometimes and I used to laugh at the retinols and the retinal and I used to say, yeah, you can use it, it's fine. But you really you need retinae. I tell my patients now that her Retinol is it's going to actually be too strong for you, which I never say about retinol. So, she has amazing formulas. It's all about what she was saying like she does like to combine, combine as much as possible. And I just think that you know, she's magic in that way. And I know we have so many more questions for Rebecca, I want to know why you want to be a disrupter. I want to know why you are this…

Trina Renea  13:42  

We have 10 more minutes, ladies. Ask your questions.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  13:45  

Yes, I want to ask you about, you know, you were one of the first in the skincare industry to discuss popular trends that have disrupted traditional skincare business, and these include the alpha hydroxy and the barrier repair. Can you tell me why you want to create awareness about the disruptive Biosciences among the members of the industry? 

Rebecca Gadberry  14:07  

Because I think we only go so far and then we reach a wall with our own technologies and cosmetics. If we look outside the industry, we can see that things are being done that we can translate or bring into the cosmetic industry to make things better. For instance, there is an ingredient that was used to coat the space shuttle. And if you take a look at that it actually is safe for the skin. And it's one of our primary ingredients to protect the skin from HIV penetrating in the skin, it acts like a glove on the skin. 

Trina Renea  14:46  

Can you say what the name of that ingredient is? 

Rebecca Gadberry  14:49  

I could if I could remember it, but I don't remember it right now.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  14:52  

So, like you're actually saying and maybe like use like for safe sex or like in a lab to prevent covering gloves or something?

Rebecca Gadberry  14:59  

It wouldn't be safe sex, but it would be in a hospital, it would be in a lotion in a hospital. It's called peripheral methyl isopropyl ether. The trade name is Fomblin. 

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  15:14  

Sounds like they should coat like surgical gloves with that or something.

Rebecca Gadberry  15:17  

They maybe, I don't know, but I'm only in cosmetics, so I don’t know.

Trina Renea  15:20  

Yeah, we don’t know.

Rebecca Gadberry  15:23  

There are also technologies that are used to deliver ingredients to skin cells, particular groups of skin cells. Right now, when we put an ingredient in the skin, we don't know where it's going to be going or what cell is going to be effective. But there was technology that was developed during Chernobyl, after Chernobyl, no blood was going through your body. So how did they get drugs into the body to circulate and they develop this system that mimics the cell membrane that has unique molecules on it, that target key receptors on specific cells, so we can deliver ingredients to specific cells. I think that's one of the areas that we may be seeing, developing in the coming years. Fermentation technologies in beer. Well, what else can we do with it? So, looking at, you know, the impossible meat which is a fermentation product. Well, can we get other ingredients that are from animals by fermenting? We can. Hyaluronic acid, for instance, is now a fermentation product, where it used to come from Rooster combs and from in synovial liquids in your joints, or animal joints. Collegens we can now get, ceramides we can get, sterile we can get.

Trina Renea  16:48  

There was a time many years ago, and maybe the last year you taught at UCLA, where you were talking about the microbiome, and you were talking about in our future, maybe in ours, we will see that there, the whole product industry is going to change. And then basically you'll go into your doctor's office or estheticians’ office and you'll get your mouth swabbed and you'll send it in and they will make you a product line specifically for your skin. Do you still see that happening?

Rebecca Gadberry  17:21  

I don't see it as your mouth swabbed because the mouth is a different ecosystem than your face. And not only can they do your skin… well the genes, I'm less concerned with DNA than I am with your epigenome. And your epigenome, we should do an entire episode on epigenetics, because it's so deep, I don't want to go into it. We'll do a deep dive on it, because there's a lot to it. And companies are right now doing swabs on your skin cells to determine your epigenome and your genome. The problem is that the epigenome is unique to specific areas of your body, to specific cells. And it can be unique even to the cell. So doing that kind of thing right now, I think it's more of a marketing gimmick than what actually works for the microbiome. Testing what's on the surface of the skin as far as your friendly bacteria called Commensal Bacteria, I think is really good. But I don't see us being able yet to put microbes on the skin in the right ratios for your particular skin. Your microbiome is as unique to you as your fingerprints. So, matter of fact, the FBI and other criminal agencies are now taking air and swabs off of bodies and also other areas in the environment to determine microbiome, and then they can compare yours and see if you've been there. It’s that unique. So, it's another layer of identification. So, what I am doing, I am working with several new product companies that we're developing products that support your unique microbiome, and help to support the friendly bacteria because they keep the unfriendly bacteria, the Pathogens in line. As a matter of fact, there's a new raw material that just came out, it hasn't come out on the market yet. It's come out for product developers, that is working with C acne to control that. There's like 36 Different C acnes used to be called P acnes. Two of them are bad for or are the causes of acne, are implicated in acne, the others are fine. So how do we use the rest of the friendly bacteria to control the two bad C acnes and the S epidermidis in order to control acne, and that's some remarkable new technology that's coming out that I'm working with.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  20:10  

Well, and we were talking about, you know, and not in our lifetime, the changes that you see what about in the next year, can you give us a little sneak peek of what's going to happen in the next year and other sciences or skincare? 

Rebecca Gadberry  20:22  

Well, I think we're going to be getting a lot more ingredients from fermentation. And you'll be seeing that on your labels, it'll say fermented such and such. This means that if we're either not growing plants, and using up a lot of water, or a lot of soil, we can grow food crops instead of crops for cosmetics. If there is a rare ingredient or rare plant that's hard to find, we can get it once and then ferment it. There's also stem cell technology where we can take the stem cell of a plant, like a rare plant, or even a common plant like a rose. And we fool with the genes to turn on the genes that make the phytochemical that we want to be in that plant that we get from the plant to work on the skin. And so, we don't need all of the water and all the soil. 

Trina Renea  21:19  

So, this is new science.

Rebecca Gadberry  21:20  

New science is coming out.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  21:22  

Very eco-friendly, right? But not like GMO type of stuff. 

Rebecca Gadberry  21:26  

Well, anytime you have a genetic modification, you're talking about GMO. So yeah, it's GMOs, but it's stem cells that are not grown in the ground. They're fermented or they're grown in a lab. Yeah. So, we're going to be doing a lot more in the laboratory. And I really liked that because we can control the source, we can lower the cost. We're not at the whims of hurricane Ian, for instance, if we could possibly take the Sea Whip ingredient. And put it into a fermentation process, but so far that I went back east about seven years ago, to work with a group out of Boston to do that. They haven't been able to do it yet. It's been seven years. Estee Lauder is one of the largest users of it, YG laboratories was one of the largest users of it. I used to tease that Sea Whip is my middle name, Rebecca Sea Whip Gadberry, and now my middle name is gone.

Julie Falls  22:33  

I see like Paula's Choice or somebody has some sea whip in it?

Rebecca Gadberry  22:40  

Probably, yeah, there's a lot of people that have taken the classes, either from UCLA or I speak all over the world at conferences, and I talk about ingredients. And if they're in the class, and they hear about Sea Whip, they may put it into a product. 

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  22:54  

But if it's not available, those products must be expired by now.

Rebecca Gadberry  22:58  

We're having, we are looking everywhere for substitute. We're looking everywhere for substitutes. If you're out there, you know anything about this kind of technology? Please contact me through the website, because… 

Trina Renea  23:14  

This is what we like about being on Facially Conscious, you can get the word out. 

Rebecca Gadberry  23:19  

Reach the audience. Yes.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  23:20  

I have sort of like a summary question. But before I asked the summary question, does anybody have anything else for Rebecca?

Trina Renea  23:27  

You go ahead.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  23:28  

I'm so excited to ask this question. What do you like most about being a part of the Facially Conscious team?

Rebecca Gadberry  23:34  

There's a lot I like about it. One, I love working with you, ladies. I really do I get something out of every one of you. Every time we get together, I learned something. Now everyone at home. We text each other all the time. What do you think of this? What do you think of that? It helps keep me in the energy, so to speak. And Julie, you're so great at – What do you think of this? I've never heard of it, so I have to go out and search it.

Julie Falls  24:03  

Because Trina told me when we first started, don't bother her with products and ingredients.

Trina Renea  24:13  

Yes, I don't want her to quit. 

Julie Falls  24:15  

I do for time because you're my friend.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  24:17  

You’ve come a long way.

Rebecca Gadberry  24:20  

Don’t do it before 10 and after 10. 

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  24:23  

That’s the night before we film and you can see her at 12pm.

Rebecca Gadberry  24:26  

Which is what we were doing last night, Vicki and I were up. We're in bed, texting each other for one of the answers. Because we didn't know the answer. So, we had to look it up. But I love that I love being in contact with the people who are out there. You know, who are real people rather than working with marketers and product developers all the time, who want to interpret their interpretation of what they think is going on. I already worked directly with a lot of estheticians said that are around the country and actually Australia, New Zealand all over the world, to get your views. And when I talk with you, you really helped me put things in perspective, because otherwise I'm in a void. I'm in a bubble.

Trina Renea  25:13  

Well, and it's nice because you're here with a doctor and esthetician and a consumer. So, you're getting three different ideas around products. 

Rebecca Gadberry  25:21  

And we get questions from our listeners all the time. There's always a question.

Trina Renea  25:27  

Oh, I have a question from a listener. 

Rebecca Gadberry  25:29  

Oh, good. Well, we will talk about it. Well, you know, I love learning. I love being asked to learn more, there's a reason to do it. And I also like, making sure that I'm accurate because that's one of the reasons that I came back. It's interesting, we started here and I'm going to end here. There have been myths about the products that we put on our skin and using our hair. Ever since I can remember in the 50s as a child, when I got into the industry, I did it because I wanted to bust myths, because there was so much misinformation. The same myths are going around now as when I got into the industry. It is so strange and my son said to me one day, do you feel like you've wasted your entire life? Because every 5 to 10 the same myths come back.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  26:31  

Because it's that fountain of youth you know quest, its market, they are so desperate to find that. You know, my daughter, who is now 18 was telling me that she wanted to put castor oil on her lashes because she was told that it grew your lashes. I laughed. 

Rebecca Gadberry  26:48  

That's from like making 1940. 

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  26:50  

Exactly, this is what I'm saying. So, it's back even that's back. I have a patient who made his fortune on this eyelash grower in the 60s and he admitted to me it was just castor oil, and it gives them an illusion of a thicker, darker lash. And it's back.

Rebecca Gadberry  27:06  

If you look at some of the old formulas from Maybelline and some of the other, you know, Revlon, there's castor oil in those formulas, in those mascaras.

Trina Renea  27:16  

It's beautiful. But is it okay for your eyes? 

Rebecca Gadberry  27:20  

It's just an oil. The problem is, is that it gets in your eye.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  27:22  

I mean, it's a natural, you know, in a sense, it's like, herbal and it's “Natural.” But yeah, it can be a little annoying if you get it in, it will blur your vision.

Rebecca Gadberry  27:34  

In chemistry we think of oils is hard and soft oils and castor oil is a hard oil. Carnauba is a hard oil. Yeah. And they're also used to wax cars, talking about transferring technology.

Trina Renea  27:47  

Okay, so I have a question. This is from a listener; this is a listener’s question. And this is not involving products, but it's involving red lights. So, you know, LED lights have come into the industry. And they've been around for quite a long time now. NASA has done a lot of research and how to keep plants alive out in space with this LED light technology. And our cells also react well to LED lights. But there's these home devices that are coming out now on the market. Lots and lots of home devices since COVID. And Tess, one of our listeners had a question and she says – What about at home red light devices? Do they work? So that is our question.

Rebecca Gadberry  28:37  

Named the red light district into your… I mean, red light in your home.

Trina Renea  28:41  

You're pointing to Dr. Vicki, does she have an answer?

Rebecca Gadberry  28:45  

I think that she's probably better than I am because I'm more of the chemist rather than the physicist.

Trina Renea  28:52  

I work in red lights all the time, by the way, because I have an LED panel. 

Rebecca Gadberry  28:56  

You can answer that too.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  28:57  

I'm laughing at this and the answer, in my opinion. I feel like I gave a takeaway on this in the past that I think the red lights and the at-home devices are great for self-care and mindfulness and taking time for yourself because they are not regulated. You have no idea what it's low-level light therapy, right? Low Level light therapy is theoretically amazing for inflammation, acne, collagen building. I mean, if you read about it, you think it's going to cure your cancer. Are you really using it enough? Are you really using it consistently? Is there really enough light emanating from that device? Probably not. Again, it is not regulated. I have no idea. They're very expensive. But if you take time in the day to do it, and it's relaxing, go for it. It's not harmful. But literally somebody on Thursday asked me a friend of mine texted me – Do you recommend the wands for red light therapy for at-home use? And I answered her basically – I'm not a huge fan other than relaxation and self-care. I don't think they do much at all and She writes back saying – Great, not buying the red-light bullshit. So, you know, it's kind of up to you guys what you want to do. But don't spend a fortune. If you can't afford it, please don't do it. But if you want to spend your fortune on it and relax, that's fine with me.

Rebecca Gadberry  30:15  

You know, I think your answer is part of the reason why we don't have brand sponsors, so that you can speak freely. And I do want to say, though, that FDA does regulate red light therapy, it's under devices. So, I just want to make that clear.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  30:39  

Absolutely. And I feel like, they're so safe, when they're not going to be harmful.

Rebecca Gadberry  30:48  

Unless you sit under when all the time, in which case, yeah, then you don't really want to do that. But if you're only doing it a few minutes, several times a week, it's not going to do it.

Trina Renea  30:58  

I have a really powerful device that was FDA-approved and has a lot of clinical research behind it. And a lot of studies in befores, and afters. And it for a long time, I've been in this industry since 2004. So almost 20 years, and I never believed in the red light, it all came from like places I was like, oh, this is a gimmick, for so long, I had to have somebody prove it to me, I needed to see, it really works. So, when this one company came out into the industry, they're called Celluma. And I'll say their name because I respect them. The developer of that, you know, got it FDA approved, and he proved it. And it was like really amazing technology and his device, and it has different, it moves in the lights move. They're not just stagnant. And there's so many, it was amazing. And I was like, Oh my God, finally, it's not cheap, it's expensive. Well to buy a professional like just, they have a lot of different sizes now. But like the professional ones, like 2400, you know, you can get an at home one now that they sell, but I don't know how much that one is. And then they have a body one now, I want that. So bad was like $10,000.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  32:21  

Right. But those are professional ones with hundreds of lights. You have a single light on the at home device. And I think there was even a joke online on Tik Tok and Instagram, how the scanners and stores that's the same, it's the same low level red light. And that is beneficial to but that's even lower, lower, lower level, and it's literally going to do nothing. 

Trina Renea  32:41  

In the devices at home that they're using for red light therapy, you know, they have directions on them from the company, that if you want to see a little bit of improvement, I mean, they don't say a little bit, but it's only a little bit when you put it in the hands of a consumer and you're just selling it like out there in the marketplace, it has to be really low, it can't harm anyone. So, in order to get any benefit, you have to use it, like they say, and like they say, as some devices will be like for 3-minutes a day, or some will say for 10-minutes a day. So, you have to follow that exactly in order to see a teeny bit of improvement. And you may not even see improvement, but that's how much you have to use it. And people go well, I'm going to buy it and I'm definitely going to do it's going to become a part of my routine, I'm going to do it while I'm watching TV or you know, whatever. And some of them even have these mask now that looks like there's eye holes in it and you can like walk around and those are I feel like are better than the handheld ones because at least then it's staying on your face. You can leave it on for 20 minutes, whatever, but I feel like those are a little better. But also, even with those you have to be careful because some of them are really cheap and they're not going to do anything and they're not the good lights. Some of them are $500, $600, $1,000, good lights.

Julie Falls  34:01  

Yeah.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  34:01  

I remember you weren't you got one from Japan. 

Julie Falls  34:05  

The thing with it has multi different colors. I use it. I use it a few times a week. It's got microcurrent and lights.

Trina Renea  34:19  

And electro…

Julie Falls  34:21  

It’s called Dr. Arrivo Ghost from Japan and it plays Disney songs. It plays frozen. When I first got this thing, first of all, it was such a journey. Such a journey. My chiropractor was traveling to Japan. I said can you please and I had just been there and I didn't get one. And I said can you please look for this thing because she wanted one too. And then she goes I think I'm entering into like black market territory, I think I’m going to step away. And then I found one on Amazon, but it’s hilarious.

Trina Renea  35:02  

It feels good because it's like a little octopus is crawling around on your skin. 

Julie Falls  35:05  

I’ll bring it in. You guys can see it through. But here's the best part. All of the instructions were in Japanese. So, finally, I've had it for years. Finally, they're available on YouTube, in English.

Rebecca Gadberry  35:18  

So, I just want to say that there's a difference between FDA Approved Medical Devices and FDA Cleared Medical Devices. And FDA doesn't approve these things, they clear them. You have to meet their standard. So, if somebody says it's FDA approved be suspicious, you're looking for FDA cleared.

Dr. Vicki Rapaport  35:38  

Yeah, right. And you know, if I did say it wasn't FDA approved, it's probably because I went on a rant. So, thank you for correcting me, Rebecca.

Rebecca Gadberry  35:46  

Hey, that's what we're all here for. Right? Rein each other in and we're so passionate that I think we go on rants sometimes, and we need the other ones of us to rein us in.

Julie Falls  35:58  

My takeaway is I think we've only just begun to scratch the surface. That is Rebecca Gadberry. I'm learning so much about her, what a wealth of knowledge. And I recommend that you just listen and listen because there's so much more for all of us to learn. And I'm not going to stop asking her about ingredients.

Rebecca Gadberry  36:22  

Just before 10 at night or after 10 in the morning.

Trina Renea  36:30  

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